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Investing in a leveraged index ETF for retirement. RiskyRisky?

I'm 23, and in addition to my 401k at work, I haveLet's say someone has a few thousand saved in an IRA. Right now I have it sitting in Treasurys earning around 3%.

Over the past 50 years the S&P has averaged around 11% per year in total returns. I'm perfectly willing to invest it in an index (like the S&P) or in a few bellwether-style single stocks (think Warren Buffet: KO, BAC, JNJ, etc). Most mutual funds underperform the market, so I'm not really interested in trying to pick those out at this point (unless you have a convincing argument).

I'm looking for feedback on the idea of investingLet's say they wanted to invest the IRA balance in a 3x leveraged S&P ETF, specifically UPRO. My thinking: If the S&P averages 11%, this shouldnapkin math suggests an average ~33%, minus fees of about 1%. The balance of the IRA is about $5k, and I'm not drawing retirement for another 40 years, so if somehow I "lose everything"But it's not going to ruin my life. My future contributions toclear how the built-in leverage works for or against this IRA will probably be put in something safer, but I'm willing to take a risk nowmethod.

Is my thinking on how this 3x leveraged ETF works correct, or am I missing somethingWhat happens when investing in these instruments long-term?

Investing in a leveraged index ETF for retirement. Risky?

I'm 23, and in addition to my 401k at work, I have a few thousand saved in an IRA. Right now I have it sitting in Treasurys earning around 3%.

Over the past 50 years the S&P has averaged around 11% per year in total returns. I'm perfectly willing to invest it in an index (like the S&P) or in a few bellwether-style single stocks (think Warren Buffet: KO, BAC, JNJ, etc). Most mutual funds underperform the market, so I'm not really interested in trying to pick those out at this point (unless you have a convincing argument).

I'm looking for feedback on the idea of investing the IRA balance in a 3x leveraged S&P ETF, specifically UPRO. My thinking: If the S&P averages 11%, this should average ~33%, minus fees of about 1%. The balance of the IRA is about $5k, and I'm not drawing retirement for another 40 years, so if somehow I "lose everything" it's not going to ruin my life. My future contributions to this IRA will probably be put in something safer, but I'm willing to take a risk now.

Is my thinking on how this 3x leveraged ETF works correct, or am I missing something?

Investing in a leveraged index ETF for retirement. Risky?

Let's say someone has a few thousand saved in an IRA. Right now I have it sitting in Treasurys earning around 3%.

Over the past 50 years the S&P has averaged around 11% per year in total returns.

Let's say they wanted to invest the IRA balance in a 3x leveraged S&P ETF, specifically UPRO. If the S&P averages 11%, napkin math suggests an average ~33%, minus fees of about 1%. But it's not clear how the built-in leverage works for or against this method.

What happens when investing in these instruments long-term?

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Investing in a leveraged index ETF for retirement. Risky?

I'm 23, and in addition to my 401k at work, I have a few thousand saved in an IRA. Right now I have it sitting in Treasurys earning around 3%. 

Over the past 50 years the S&P has averaged around 11% per year in total returns. I'm perfectly willing to invest it in an index (like the S&P) or in a few bellwether-style single stocks (think Warren Buffet: KO, BAC, JNJ, etc). Most mutual funds underperform the market, so I'm not really interested in trying to pick those out at this point (unless you have a convincing argument).

I'm looking for inputfeedback on the idea of investing the IRA balance in a 3x leveraged S&P ETF3x leveraged S&P ETF, specifically UPRO. My thinking: If the S&P averages 11%, this should average ~33%, minus fees of about 1%. The balance of the IRA, not including 401k is about $5k, and I'm not drawing retirement for another 40 years, so if somehow I "lose everything" it's not going to ruin my life. My future contributions to this IRA will probably be put in something safer, but I'm willing to take a risk now.

Interested in any ideas you guys haveIs my thinking on how this 3x leveraged ETF works correct, thanks in advance.

-tjwor am I missing something?

Investing in a leveraged index ETF for retirement

I'm 23, and in addition to my 401k at work, I have a few thousand saved in an IRA. Right now I have it sitting in Treasurys earning around 3%. Over the past 50 years the S&P has averaged around 11% per year in total returns. I'm perfectly willing to invest it in an index (like the S&P) or in a few bellwether-style single stocks (think Warren Buffet: KO, BAC, JNJ, etc). Most mutual funds underperform the market, so I'm not really interested in trying to pick those out at this point (unless you have a convincing argument).

I'm looking for input on investing in a 3x leveraged S&P ETF, specifically UPRO. If the S&P averages 11%, this should average ~33%, minus fees of about 1%. The balance of the IRA, not including 401k is about $5k, and I'm not drawing retirement for another 40 years, so if somehow I "lose everything" it's not going to ruin my life. My future contributions to this IRA will probably be put in something safer, but I'm willing to take a risk now.

Interested in any ideas you guys have, thanks in advance.

-tjw

Investing in a leveraged index ETF for retirement. Risky?

I'm 23, and in addition to my 401k at work, I have a few thousand saved in an IRA. Right now I have it sitting in Treasurys earning around 3%. 

Over the past 50 years the S&P has averaged around 11% per year in total returns. I'm perfectly willing to invest it in an index (like the S&P) or in a few bellwether-style single stocks (think Warren Buffet: KO, BAC, JNJ, etc). Most mutual funds underperform the market, so I'm not really interested in trying to pick those out at this point (unless you have a convincing argument).

I'm looking for feedback on the idea of investing the IRA balance in a 3x leveraged S&P ETF, specifically UPRO. My thinking: If the S&P averages 11%, this should average ~33%, minus fees of about 1%. The balance of the IRA is about $5k, and I'm not drawing retirement for another 40 years, so if somehow I "lose everything" it's not going to ruin my life. My future contributions to this IRA will probably be put in something safer, but I'm willing to take a risk now.

Is my thinking on how this 3x leveraged ETF works correct, or am I missing something?

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