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o = 4  .  .  the month number
n = 3  .  .  the number of months
p = 3010.57

(-(1 + i)^(n + o) w + (1 + m)^n (i p - m p + (1 + i)^o w))/(i - m) = 0     (formula 1)
p = ((1 + i)^o (1 + m)^-n ((1 + i)^n - (1 + m)^n) w)/(i - m) = 3010.57     (formula 2)
q = 3  .  .  the final month number

p = (d ((1 + i)^(1 + q) - (1 + m)^(1 + q)))/(i - m) = 4.05854 d            (formula 3)
d = ((i - m) p)/((1 + i)^(1 + q) - (1 + m)^(1 + q)) = 741.79               (formula 4)
(65 - 25) * 12  = 480 deposit months
(100 - 65) * 12 = 420 withdrawals without depleting initial capital
(100 - 25) * 12 = 900 months overall

inf = 0.02
i = (1 + inf)^(1/12) - 1 = 0.00165158

apr = 0.03
m = (1 + apr)^(1/12) - 1 = 0.00246627

o = 480  .  .  the first withdrawal month number
n = 420  .  .  the number of withdrawal months
w = 1000 .  .  the present value of the withdrawal amount

p = ((1 + i)^o (-(1 + i)^n + (1 + m)^n) w)/((-i + m) (-1 - m + (1 + m)^n))

  = 1217900.47                                                             (formula 5)

q = 479  .  .  the final deposit month number

d = ((i - m) p)/((1 + i)^(1 + q) - (1 + m)^(1 + q)) = 941.38
apr = 0.03
m = (1 + apr)^(1/12) - 1 = 0.00246627

d = w = 1000

p = w/m = 405470.65  .  .  capital required

n = Log[1 + (m p)/(d + d m)]/Log[1 + m] = 280.898                          (formula 6)
o = 4  .  .  the month number
n = 3  .  .  the number of months
p = 3010.57

(-(1 + i)^(n + o) w + (1 + m)^n (i p - m p + (1 + i)^o w))/(i - m) = 0     (formula 1)
p = ((1 + i)^o (1 + m)^-n ((1 + i)^n - (1 + m)^n) w)/(i - m) = 3010.57     (formula 2)
q = 3  .  .  the final month number

p = (d ((1 + i)^(1 + q) - (1 + m)^(1 + q)))/(i - m) = 4.05854 d            (formula 3)
d = ((i - m) p)/((1 + i)^(1 + q) - (1 + m)^(1 + q)) = 741.79               (formula 4)
(65 - 25) * 12  = 480 deposit months
(100 - 65) * 12 = 420 withdrawals without depleting initial capital
(100 - 25) * 12 = 900 months overall

inf = 0.02
i = (1 + inf)^(1/12) - 1 = 0.00165158

apr = 0.03
m = (1 + apr)^(1/12) - 1 = 0.00246627

o = 480  .  .  the first withdrawal month number
n = 420  .  .  the number of withdrawal months
w = 1000 .  .  the present value of the withdrawal amount

p = ((1 + i)^o (-(1 + i)^n + (1 + m)^n) w)/((-i + m) (-1 - m + (1 + m)^n))

  = 1217900.47                                                             (formula 5)

q = 479  .  .  the final deposit month number

d = ((i - m) p)/((1 + i)^(1 + q) - (1 + m)^(1 + q)) = 941.38
apr = 0.03
m = (1 + apr)^(1/12) - 1 = 0.00246627

d = w = 1000

p = w/m = 405470.65  .  .  capital required

n = Log[1 + (m p)/(d + d m)]/Log[1 + m] = 280.898                          (formula 6)
o = 4  .  .  the month number
n = 3  .  .  the number of months
p = 3010.57

(-(1 + i)^(n + o) w + (1 + m)^n (i p - m p + (1 + i)^o w))/(i - m) = 0  (formula 1)
p = ((1 + i)^o (1 + m)^-n ((1 + i)^n - (1 + m)^n) w)/(i - m) = 3010.57  (formula 2)
q = 3  .  .  the final month number

p = (d ((1 + i)^(1 + q) - (1 + m)^(1 + q)))/(i - m) = 4.05854 d         (formula 3)
d = ((i - m) p)/((1 + i)^(1 + q) - (1 + m)^(1 + q)) = 741.79            (formula 4)
(65 - 25) * 12  = 480 deposit months
(100 - 65) * 12 = 420 withdrawals without depleting initial capital
(100 - 25) * 12 = 900 months overall

inf = 0.02
i = (1 + inf)^(1/12) - 1 = 0.00165158

apr = 0.03
m = (1 + apr)^(1/12) - 1 = 0.00246627

o = 480  .  .  the first withdrawal month number
n = 420  .  .  the number of withdrawal months
w = 1000 .  .  the present value of the withdrawal amount

p = ((1 + i)^o (-(1 + i)^n + (1 + m)^n) w)/((-i + m) (-1 - m + (1 + m)^n))

  = 1217900.47                                                          (formula 5)

q = 479  .  .  the final deposit month number

d = ((i - m) p)/((1 + i)^(1 + q) - (1 + m)^(1 + q)) = 941.38
apr = 0.03
m = (1 + apr)^(1/12) - 1 = 0.00246627

d = w = 1000

p = w/m = 405470.65  .  .  capital required

n = Log[1 + (m p)/(d + d m)]/Log[1 + m] = 280.898                       (formula 6)
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Using formula 3 and formula 1

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p = ((1 + i)^o ((1 + i)^n - (1 + m)^n) w)/((i - m) (-1 + (1 + m)^n))

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p = ((1 + i)^o ((1 + i)^n - (1 + m)^n) w)/((i - m) (-1 + (1 + m)^n))

Using formula 3 and formula 1

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o = 4  .  .  the month number
n = 3  .  .  the number of months
p = 3010.57

(-(1 + i)^o (-^(1n + io)^n w + (1 + m)^n) w)/(i p - m) p + (1 + mi)^n^o pw))/(i - m) = 0     (formula 1)
p = ((1 + i)^o (1 + m)^-n ((1 + i)^n - (1 + m)^n) w)/(i - m) = 3010.57     (formula 2)
q = 3  .  .  the final month number

p = (d ((1 + i)^(1 + q) - (1 + m)^(1 + q)))/(i - m) = 4.05854 d            (formula 3)
d = ((i - m) p)/((1 + i)^(1 + q) - (1 + m)^(1 + q)) = 741.79               (formula 4)
(65 - 25) * 12  = 480 deposit months
(100 - 65) * 12 = 420 withdrawals without depleting initial capital
(100 - 25) * 12 = 900 months overall

inf = 0.02
i = (1 + inf)^(1/12) - 1 = 0.00165158

apr = 0.03
m = (1 + apr)^(1/12) - 1 = 0.00246627

o = 480  .  .  the first withdrawal month number
n = 420  .  .  the number of withdrawal months
w = 1000 .  .  the present value of the withdrawal amount

p = ((1 + i)^o (-(1 + i)^n -+ (1 + m)^n) w)/((-i -+ m) (-1 - m + (1 + m)^n)) 

 = = 12162441217900.5247                                                             (formula 5)

q = 479  .  .  the final deposit month number

d = ((i - m) p)/((1 + i)^(1 + q) - (1 + m)^(1 + q)) = 940941.1038

The plan could be achieved by making 480 deposits, starting aged 25 at $940$941.1038, increasing monthly in line with inflation.

apr = 0.03
m = (1 + apr)^(1/12) - 1 = 0.00246627

d = w = 1000

p = w/m = 405470.65  .  .  capital required

n = Log[1 + (m p)/(d + d m)]/Log[1 + m] = 280.898                          (formula 6)

SolveUsing formula 5

solve ((1 + i)^o (-(1 + i)^n -+ (1 + m)^n) w)/((-i -+ m) (-1 - m + (1 + m)^n)) = p for n

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n =  274270.46757

So with 35 years of deposits the capital will not diminish for 22 years and 106 months (274270 months).

Formulae derivations

The main formulae are derived from fairly simple recurrence equations, solved using Mathematica.

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o = 4  .  .  the month number
n = 3  .  .  the number of months
p = 3010.57

((1 + i)^o (-(1 + i)^n + (1 + m)^n) w)/(i - m) + (1 + m)^n p = 0
p = ((1 + i)^o (1 + m)^-n ((1 + i)^n - (1 + m)^n) w)/(i - m) = 3010.57
q = 3  .  .  the final month number

p = (d ((1 + i)^(1 + q) - (1 + m)^(1 + q)))/(i - m) = 4.05854 d
d = ((i - m) p)/((1 + i)^(1 + q) - (1 + m)^(1 + q)) = 741.79
(65 - 25) * 12  = 480 deposit months
(100 - 65) * 12 = 420 withdrawals without depleting initial capital
(100 - 25) * 12 = 900 months overall

inf = 0.02
i = (1 + inf)^(1/12) - 1 = 0.00165158

apr = 0.03
m = (1 + apr)^(1/12) - 1 = 0.00246627

o = 480  .  .  the first withdrawal month number
n = 420  .  .  the number of withdrawal months
w = 1000 .  .  the present value of the withdrawal amount

p = ((1 + i)^o ((1 + i)^n - (1 + m)^n) w)/((i - m) (-1 + (1 + m)^n)) =  1216244.52

q = 479  .  .  the final deposit month number

d = ((i - m) p)/((1 + i)^(1 + q) - (1 + m)^(1 + q)) = 940.10

The plan could be achieved by making 480 deposits, starting aged 25 at $940.10, increasing monthly in line with inflation.

apr = 0.03
m = (1 + apr)^(1/12) - 1 = 0.00246627

d = w = 1000

p = w/m = 405470.65  .  .  capital required

n = Log[1 + (m p)/(d + d m)]/Log[1 + m] = 280.898

Solve ((1 + i)^o ((1 + i)^n - (1 + m)^n) w)/((i - m) (-1 + (1 + m)^n)) = p for n

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n =  274.46

So with 35 years of deposits the capital will not diminish for 22 years and 10 months (274 months).

o = 4  .  .  the month number
n = 3  .  .  the number of months
p = 3010.57

(-(1 + i)^(n + o) w + (1 + m)^n (i p - m p + (1 + i)^o w))/(i - m) = 0     (formula 1)
p = ((1 + i)^o (1 + m)^-n ((1 + i)^n - (1 + m)^n) w)/(i - m) = 3010.57     (formula 2)
q = 3  .  .  the final month number

p = (d ((1 + i)^(1 + q) - (1 + m)^(1 + q)))/(i - m) = 4.05854 d            (formula 3)
d = ((i - m) p)/((1 + i)^(1 + q) - (1 + m)^(1 + q)) = 741.79               (formula 4)
(65 - 25) * 12  = 480 deposit months
(100 - 65) * 12 = 420 withdrawals without depleting initial capital
(100 - 25) * 12 = 900 months overall

inf = 0.02
i = (1 + inf)^(1/12) - 1 = 0.00165158

apr = 0.03
m = (1 + apr)^(1/12) - 1 = 0.00246627

o = 480  .  .  the first withdrawal month number
n = 420  .  .  the number of withdrawal months
w = 1000 .  .  the present value of the withdrawal amount

p = ((1 + i)^o (-(1 + i)^n + (1 + m)^n) w)/((-i + m) (-1 - m + (1 + m)^n)) 

  = 1217900.47                                                             (formula 5)

q = 479  .  .  the final deposit month number

d = ((i - m) p)/((1 + i)^(1 + q) - (1 + m)^(1 + q)) = 941.38

The plan could be achieved by making 480 deposits, starting aged 25 at $941.38, increasing monthly in line with inflation.

apr = 0.03
m = (1 + apr)^(1/12) - 1 = 0.00246627

d = w = 1000

p = w/m = 405470.65  .  .  capital required

n = Log[1 + (m p)/(d + d m)]/Log[1 + m] = 280.898                          (formula 6)

Using formula 5

solve ((1 + i)^o (-(1 + i)^n + (1 + m)^n) w)/((-i + m) (-1 - m + (1 + m)^n)) = p for n

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n =  270.757

So with 35 years of deposits the capital will not diminish for 22 years and 6 months (270 months).

Formulae derivations

The main formulae are derived from fairly simple recurrence equations, solved using Mathematica.

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