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I have over 100K in credit available, and have NEVER been asked for proof of income. In fact, my income is far below 1/8th of my credit line. I can probably buy a Rolls Royce with credit, which is the same value as many properties. When I first applied for my credit card ever I was instantly approved for $2,000.00 and was never asked for any proof that I earned even a single cent.

I now have 9 credit cards with a total of over $100,000.00 in credit and an excellent credit score.

That's all wonderful and all, but then I go and apply for a down payment loan on a home and get bombarded with proof of income requests for $8,000.00. What? I have gotten approved for credit cards higher than that with no request of income proof -- and I've manually asked for various credit limit increases without request for proof of income either. Why would a lender for a down payment want proof of income for a house when a credit card issuer gave me more and doesn't care?

There would be less risk since it's less money. That's like a guy asking for evidence that I can repay $2 when another guy just happily hands over $20. Why the hell would the $2 guy want proof? Where does he get off asking for it? If someone else is giving me more and not requiring that I prove I can repay it (stated-income loan), what reasoning would one have to get proof for less?

Could I use this argument as a basis that they have no reasoning to request proof of income, if another lender (credit card company) would give me more without proof of repayment?

Should I borrow a home loan from a credit card company then? Or what's the catch here?

  • "Could I use this argument as a basis that they have no reasoning to request proof of income" Almost certainly not. If – for whatever reason, good or bad – they have decided they want/need proof of income, they will just see this as dissembling (i.e. if you had proof, you'd give it; if you don't give it, there's something fishy going on). As to why they want it, I could only guess (so won't). – TripeHound Sep 1 '17 at 6:41
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    One time I was at a bar and the bartender didn't charge me for my drink. Ever since then I always demand other bartenders don't charge me either, and I tell them about the time I got a free drink at another bar as evidence that they shouldn't charge me, but for some crazy reason they still charge me anyway. The nerve! – TTT Sep 1 '17 at 7:12
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    Why the heck are you borrowing all or part of the down payment? At least in the US, mortgage lenders often ask from where the down payment money originates. They want to know that you haven't borrowed the money as that increases their risk. – mkennedy Sep 1 '17 at 12:53
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Why don't you just put your down payment on one of your credit cards?

(Note: I'm not actually suggesting that you do this. Please read on.)

There are a few reasons why you wouldn't (or couldn't) do this:

  1. The interest rates on the cards you have is very high.

  2. You don't have enough of a credit limit on any one of your cards for the down payment.

These two reasons highlight the answer to your question.

Credit card companies charge very high interest rates. These high rates allow them to make money even when some of their customers default. They know that not everyone will pay them back, so they make sure to make a hefty profit on those who do.

Secondly, credit card limits are often much lower than the amounts of car and home loans. This limits the risk to the credit card company. Sure, you have $100,000 in total credit limit, but this is split among nine different companies.

When a bank offers a traditional loan for a large sum of money at relatively low interest, they need to be able to limit their risk somehow. They do this by ensuring that their customers actually have the ability to pay them back.

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    Another point is that $100k in credit card limits is an illusion. If you start to rack up debt on those cards, they will notice your changing circumstances and drop your limits. They are all eager for your first $10k of debt, none of them want to be the last $10k. – Ukko Sep 1 '17 at 19:11
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The two things are materially different.

Point number 1. With a credit card, the bank (and card network) earn a fee every time you spend on your card. You swipe a $100 dinner, the credit card company makes about $3. You pay it back, they may not make any interest but they've made their $3. Additionally, if you have a $1,000,000 credit limit, you've only actually borrowed $100; which brings me to point number 2.

Point number 2. A credit limit of $X is not in any way the same as a loan for $X. When you seek a personal loan, the lender hands you money in equal amount to your loan, less any origination fees that may apply. Your loan for $8,000 results in $8,000 being wired to your account. Your credit limit is only a loan when you actually charge something. Until then its a simple (adjustable) risk limit set by the bank's underwriters.

Point number 3. Your credit report contains no income information. It's up to the lender to determine what sort of risk they're willing to take. Some personal lenders are just fine with stated income and employer contact information. Some lenders want to see some pay-stubs. Some lenders will lend $X on stated income but won't lend $X+1 without income verification. Some will lend the money at a lower interest rate if you do prove your income and employment. It's all lender specific. Credit card issuers are clearly lax on the income verification piece of the equation because of points number 1 and 2.

Point number 4. If you're getting a loan for your required mortgage down-payment you are a much bigger repayment risk than you realize.

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    +1 especially for point 4, which other answers failed to highlight. – Relaxed Sep 2 '17 at 8:51
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Why would a lender for a down payment want proof of income for a house when a credit card issuer gave me more and doesn't care?

The risk profile and rate of interest are different.

Could I use this argument as a basis that they have no reasoning to request proof of income, if another lender (credit card company) would give me more without proof of repayment?

You could argue anything, but it does not mean the other company will agree with your argument.

Should I borrow a home loan from a credit card company then? Or what's the catch here?

You can. Check the rate of interest and penal fees; you would realize how much you will end up paying. Depending on the country, the difference could be in the region of 10-15%.

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It is completely in the realm of each lender what they request. Some lenders always want to see proof of income, and others have decided to look only at other things. Their decision has nothing to do with you, your situation, your income, or your credit history.

You are of course free to go to another lender that does not want proof of income.

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Also - the more credit facilities you have, the risikier you get. Say Company A lends you $8.000 for a down-payment - let's say you then go out and max out your other 100k facilities - you now have debt of 108k. What guarantee does the Company A have of repayment?

Fewer credit facilities = better chance of getting a new loan.

  • Why the downvote? – ssn Sep 21 '17 at 20:29

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