4

Regarding the overhead or expense fees associated with holding shares in a mutual fund, how do the fees affect what I'm holding?

  • Is it taken out of the share price?
  • Is it taken out of the (fractional) number of total shares?
  • Is the expense continuously reflected in either price or number of shares? or does the expense accrue (and adjust) periodically?
7

Expenses are taken out of the fund's assets, which lowers the return to investors. (source). As fideli mentioned below, "the indicated unit price has already taken into account the cut that the fund company took as part of its expense ratio."

  • Thanks. I checked out the link but I'm still not 100% clear. Is that to say that the expense ratio affects the indicated share price? – DuckMaestro Mar 17 '11 at 3:58
  • 1
    @DuckMaestro: The indicated unit price has already taken into account the cut that the fund company took as part of its expense ratio. – fideli Mar 17 '11 at 5:42
  • Thanks. Will mark as answer once edited to include that statement. – DuckMaestro Mar 18 '11 at 4:07
3

Lets say there is a fund who's value is USD 1000, its invested into Compnay A, 20 stocks worth USD 30 ea, so the value is USD 600. The balance 400 is invested into Company B, 40 stocks each worth USD 10.
The fund has floated 100 units at USD 10 ea.

The fund has various costs including but not limited to;
- Fund Manager Salary and Bonus
- Cost of Office Space
- Cost of Equipment
- Routine Running Cost
- Marketing and Sales
- Other Employees Cost
- Broker who is selling the fund - Trading cost as the Fund has to buy / sell on Stock Market

Given all these cost, some of these are recovered from individual investor directly while buying or selling. So say for example you were to buy Fund worth USD 100, only USD 96 worth units would be allocated to you. The USD 4 would go towards expenses. So rather than getting 10 units, you would get 9.6 units in the fund.

Now other costs are directly taken out of the fund value and are not transperent to individual. This is called the expense ratio.
In the above example, if the Compnay A share is doing USD 35, and Compnay B is doing USD 12. Now the overall money with the fund is 1180. So the value of individual units should be 11.8 now. However what fund company would do it take around USD 80 toward other cost of funds. Hence the value would now be 11.
So how do the fund company take USD 80 out?
Well they do not necessarily take out the exact amount, it more like book keeping
This is done in multiple ways, depending on the situation
- Sell 2 shares of Compnay A, and 1 share of company B, Adjust excess in next round
- There are more investors who want to buy funds, take it from that
- Simply differ the recovery to appropriate time and use the above methods.

So the net effect for individual is the value getting lower. Hence its advised that if the fund ratio are high, in general its not a good sign. However this is not the sole criteria.

2

I'm going to re-summarize the fund's general expense ratios:

Mutual funds just own a bunch of Stuff (assets). Each share in the fund is worth a certain portion of the fund's assets.

When the fund pays some expenses, it's a transfer of some of the assets out of the fund. (Usually there's at least some small amount of cash that the fund holds; some of the commodity funds and the like hold very little cash - if they hold any at all - and will do something thing like sell a bar of gold in order to pay their expenses).

You won't see any deduction made explicitly, but because the fund has fewer assets after paying expenses, it's worth less. This will be reflected the next time the fund publishes how much it's worth (typically at the end of each business day). When you buy or sell shares in a mutual fund, that will determine how much money you get.

1

The exact answer is buried somewhere in the fund paperwork. Most funds deduct expenses from distributions.

Your Answer

By clicking “Post Your Answer”, you agree to our terms of service, privacy policy and cookie policy

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.