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I have a credit card with a 16.5% APR.

I had $2500 on the card already. I made a purchase for a friend of $3700, who has just paid me back after 11 months.

How can I calculate the interest he would own me for having $3700 on my card over 11 months?

I want to be sure not to charge him for any interest accrued for the debt I already had on the card, and I am not sure how to separate the two.

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    Was this all paid in a lump after 11 months or did payments trickle in? – quid Jul 12 '16 at 19:46
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    Understand that you dodged a bullet. Consider yourself lucky to have been paid back let alone receiving any kind of compensation for interest. – Pete B. Jul 12 '16 at 20:17
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    @PeteB. Vague advice like that are not really helpful. I wouldn't have helped in this case unless I was sure I would get in back. – Jason Kidd Jul 12 '16 at 21:40
  • @quid about $500 was payed towards it, in two parts. – Jason Kidd Jul 12 '16 at 21:40
  • @JasonKidd In addition to everything else here, realize now that any future transactions you do with friends, get every term in writing, in advance. You don't want an argument over $100 of interest to break down your friendship. I would add - don't lend money at all to friends - but since you are okay with doing so, the cleanest way you can is just to get all terms and conditions agreed to up front. – Grade 'Eh' Bacon Jul 13 '16 at 12:33
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16.5% APR is a touch under 1.5% monthly (12th root of 116.5).

Assuming lump-sum repayment at the end of the period...

Your friend borrowed $3700, held it for 11 months, then repaid. $3700*(116.5^1/12)^11) comes out to total cost of $4256.

(Good illustration of why credit card interest rates should be avoided whenever possible -- they're huge and they add up fast.)

Actually the cost to you may have been greater than that, since as long as this stayed in the card you were paying interest immediately on all your own charges, rather than being able to take advantage if the grace period. But since this is a friendly transaction, and since I'm not willing to go through your card statements for the past 11 months, I suggest that you just forgive those losses and treat them as a gift to the friend.

  • Even if you carry a balance on your card, you still get the grace period for new purchases, don't you? +1 for "forgive those losses and treat them as a gift to the friend." And after that, think twice before loaning that kind of money to someone. :) – Ben Miller Jul 12 '16 at 20:43
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    Not always, @BenMiller. Check the details on your card agreement. Mine used to come with a list of six plans which differed in this kind of detail, with a code letter printed on the statement to indicate which specific agreement was in force for this card. – keshlam Jul 12 '16 at 20:49
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    @Grade'Eh'Bacon I downvoted, because when the answer was posted it didn't answer the question. It's been edited since then. – Paul Jul 13 '16 at 3:24
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    You need to define additional costs. If you would otherwise have paid off the card in full at every statement, all the interest is his and you can just add that total to the $3700 he owes you. I can't tell you whether that is fair or not, but it seems to be what you are saying was agreed to. – keshlam Jul 13 '16 at 4:22
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    If you weren't paying in full, then yes, you need just his interest . By my calculation (monthly compounding) he owes you $4256 total, by Ben's calculation (daily compounding) he owes you $4295 total. Pick one. – keshlam Jul 13 '16 at 17:30
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Credit card interest is generally compounded daily. So if you want to compute this accurately, you need to figure out how many days you are being charged interest. There is usually a grace period for new purchases, where you aren't charged any interest until your first bill; however, the grace period only applies if you pay your statement in full. Since you were already carrying a balance on your card before this purchase, there was no grace period. The number of days would be from the date of purchase to the date of payment.

The formula for compound interest is:

$$I = P (1 + r) ^{n} - P$$

where P is the principal ($3700), r is the daily interest rate (16.5%/365 = 0.0004521), and n is the number of days you are charging interest.

If the number of days is 330 (about 11 months), the interest would be $595.11.

This assumes that he didn't pay anything to you until the one payment after 11 months.


In the comments below, the OP said:

by having that amount on the card, the minimum payment was about $200 a month, and I made little headway in ever reducing the debt. Had that amount not been on my card, I would have been paying the same amount and making headway on the debt. Having that charge on my card cost me money, that is for certain. I'm trying to work out how much.

Your $200 monthly payment covered all of your interest and your friend's interest and helped pay down your debt. Yes, if you didn't have this purchase on your card and were still paying the $200 each month, you would have reduced your debt more. However, your friend did give you $500 in early payments, which helped you make your credit card payment.

Each of these monthly payments that you made includes a small amount that goes toward reducing your debt (principal). By charging your friend the $595 calculated above, you are crediting all of these principal payments for your own debt (as you should, since your friend wasn't really making any payments). However, you could have paid more toward the principal, and chose not to. It's not really your friend's fault that you didn't pay more.

However, I think I see where you are coming from. You are saying that because you had to pay his portion of the interest over these months, you missed out on the extra debt reduction and had to pay additional interest on your portion. For example, in the first month, $50.51 of your payment was for his interest. If that $50.51 had gone toward your principal instead, you would have saved $8.12 in interest over the next 11 months. Each of the following months you would have less savings, because there are fewer months left for you to save interest over. I put together a spreadsheet that shows the "lost savings" each month:

calculations

Based on this premise, having to pay your friend's interest each month means you lost out on $49.84 that you could have saved if you had instead been paying down your principal.

However, we need to look at the other side of this in Column B. You'll notice that your friend's interest charge goes up each month, because he hasn't been paying on it. However, you have been paying it each month, which means that the interest you have been paying on it has essentially been a flat $50.51 each month. By charging your friend the increasing amounts shown in column B, you are already essentially collecting the "lost savings" in column D. If you charge him both, you are really charging him twice, in my opinion.

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    Daily will indeed yield a higher interest cost than monthly. The math's the same, the exponents just shift a bit. Grace period should be allowed for but so should interest on other purchases the cardholder made during this period. We've both simplified the problem, just in different ways. – keshlam Jul 12 '16 at 20:35
  • It's not that interest I was wanting to calculate, I could do that easily enough. I wanted to calculate all the additional costs for purchases I made before that amount was able to be removed from my card. My friend in this case agreed to pay back all such charges before I put the charge on my card. – Jason Kidd Jul 12 '16 at 21:43
  • @JasonKidd Were you already carrying a balance and being charged interest for purchases before your friend's purchase took place? Are you still now carrying a balance (and paying interest) even after your friend's purchase has been paid off? If yes to both of those questions, then you really can't charge him any extra, as you would have been paying interest on your own purchases anyway. – Ben Miller Jul 12 '16 at 21:50
  • @Benmiller not quiet, as the amount he added added to the total interest i was paying. it's that amount that i want to subtract and pass on to him, as we both agreed to. It's just a matter of working it out. – Jason Kidd Jul 13 '16 at 4:17
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    @JasonKidd I'm not sure what I'm misunderstanding in your situation. Are you saying that at some point during the 11 months, you would have paid off all of your debt had it not been for this purchase? Are you still now carrying a balance on your card? – Ben Miller Jul 13 '16 at 4:35
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Others have addressed the math so I'll just focus on the philosophy...

I want to be sure not to charge him for any interest accrued for the debt I already had on the card, and I am not sure how to separate the two.

Why? It seems like you're doing your friend a [gigantic] favor, letting him store some debt in your name and you're actually quite lucky to have been paid back the $3,700. I'm not sure why your interest rate on the credit card matters. You assumed a lot of risk in this transaction; risk that you should be compensated for.

I understand the you probably think it would be "unfair" to charge a rate higher than what you were charged, but you should spend a minute searching on here for the horror stories that come after favors like this fall apart. "I cosigned a car but the person moved across the country and stopped paying the loan," etc.

Fact of the matter is, as far as the bank is concerned, that debt is yours. If you charge your friend 17% or 20% you're still severely under representing your risk in the situation. Using 17% (just +0.5% to your APR) to this calculation over 11 months only adds about $17 to the total which isn't even enough to file a small claims case if your friend stops paying you - never mind collection costs, time, and the fact that interest will continue accruing on the debt that was of no benefit to you.

  • It is true that the OP assumed a lot of risk, but I don't think he should charge his friend any more than what they agreed to in the first place. – Ben Miller Jul 12 '16 at 21:20
  • @BenMiller I agree, but he should definitely not agree to these terms again in the future. – quid Jul 12 '16 at 21:22
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    I don't consider advice like this to be useful. There are a huge number of personality types and circumstances when people loan money. Assuming it won't be repaid is not a helpful assumption in this case, at least IMHO. I trust the person I did this for, they have already paid back the $3700 and agree to pay back all extra interest charges for purchases I made after as a result of that charge being on the card for 11 months. It's that amount specifically that I am trying to work out. – Jason Kidd Jul 12 '16 at 21:44
  • Depends on the nature of the friendship, @quid. I've loaned someone a good-sized chunk of change, structure as a mortgage, but I'm charging him almost the legal minimum, I'm gifting him with the interest, and I'm not really all that worried about how long it takes him to pay back. Just giving with your eyes wide open and make sure everyone is comfortable with all the possible outcomes. Failing to get the agreement formalized before any money changes hands destroys more friendships than failure to repay by itself does. – keshlam Jul 12 '16 at 21:45
  • I've loaned good sized chunks of money to friends too. But it's still prudent, imo, to consider that the money may never return. Granted, I'm assuming a high level of naivete because the question is how to calculate the interest retroactively 11 months after the money was lent. – quid Jul 12 '16 at 21:52
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One way, which may or may not meet your needs for accuracy is to use a spreadsheet to track "their balance" and "your balance" and allocate the interest proportionality for the month.

    Their balance Your Balance Total Balance
1   $3700         $2500              $6200

Then add to their balance the interest charged (from your credit card statement) * 37/62. Add to your balance interest charged * 25/62.

    Their balance Your Balance Total Balance
1   $3700         $2500              $6200
1a  $3885         $2540

Next month subtract what you paid from your balance, add new charges to your balance, then split the interest from your credit card statement between your new balances.

In those months were your friend made a payment, deduct that amount from their balance.

If you get your balance down to zero, such that you would have been covered by a grace period, you can allocate all the interest to your friend. (If I am understanding your agreement correctly.)

What the above misses is that it doesn't take into account when in a billing cycle charges or payments were made, so it will not be a perfect match.

  • Hi Shannon, thanks I will try this. For the most part payments were made only once a month on the due date. – Jason Kidd Jul 13 '16 at 4:20
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The OP posted this comment to the original question:

@quid about $500 was payed towards it, in two parts

The following algorithm is for calculating the interest payed on a $3700 loan payed in two $500 installments, and a final installment of the remaining balance of the original principal of $3700:

let d = 1 + DPR = 1 + APR/365 = 1.0004185.

let (period 1) = the number of days between the card charge and the first $500 payment.

let (period 2) = the number of days between the first and second $500 payment.

let (period 3) = the number of days between the second $500 payment and the final payment.

(total cost) = ((($3700 * d^(period 1)) - $500) * d^(period 2)) - $500) * d^(period 3)

(friend's interest) = (total cost) - $3700.

One must also consider that the OP has been paying interest on the (friend's interest). So for the friend to fully repay the OP:

let (period 4) = the number of days between the final payment of the original principal and (even-Steven payment).

(even-Steven payment) = (friend's interest) * d^(period 4).


To explain the discrepancy between this answer and some others (using @keshlam's answer as an example, but not singling it out for any specific reason):

16.5% APR is a touch under 1.5% monthly (12th root of 116.5).

Assuming lump-sum repayment at the end of the period...

Your friend borrowed $3700, held it for 11 months, then repaid. $3700*(116.5^1/12)^11) comes out to total cost of $4256.

APR is designed so that you can calculate the per-compounding-period rate by dividing APR by the number of compounding periods in a year. For a loan compounded monthly, MPR = APR/12. Credit cards are compounded daily, so DPR = APR/365. Taking the nth root of an annual rate for n compounding periods is the correct way of calculating a per-period rate expressed as an effective annual rate, which is not the same as an APR; APR has a specific legal definition in most jurisdictions, and is designed to protect consumers by providing a standardized figure of merit that can be used to compare lenders.

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