2

Filling out W4's becomes tricky when there are multiple jobs, and more so when the jobs have very different wages, or are bursty. Is there anything wrong with having the withholdings be low, and then paying estimated taxes each quarter?

Details:

One spouse has the main wage-earning job (over 90% of income) and it fluctuates a little bit. Its W4 is fine. The other spouse has a very part-time job that pays anywhere from $0 to $1000 a month. The W4 for the part-time job was hastily filled out in a way that basically results in no withholdings.

As I understand it, the recommended path here is to have the small second job have a fixed withholding taken out every month (Federal W4, step 2 option (b)). However, it is hard to know ahead of time what to put there because the income is so inconsistent.

Is there anything wrong with leaving the W4 as it is and just paying estimated taxes each quarter? (Basically filing estimated taxes like the second job was a 1099) That way there is no need to predict what the income will be on the W4. (This would be for both Federal and Oregon State taxes).

For example

If in April through May the second job payed $500, and the yearly income is projected to reach to the 22% tax bracket, then Q2 federal estimated taxes could be payed as 22% * $500.

2 Answers 2

2

Besides the use of the 4 estimated payments option, you can setup the w-4 form for the main income to guarantee that you make the safe-harbor levels of withholding.

The issue for your family is that one income is large and reasonably steady, but the other can range from $0 to $1000 in a month. That means that the advice of a fixed amount of withholding on the 2nd income is hard to do. My family was in the same situation many years ago.

One way to be able to avoid having to pay a penalty for underpayment or under-withholding is to then adjust the main W-4 to make the safe harbor.

General Rule

In most cases, you must pay estimated tax for 2023 if both of the following apply.

  1. You expect to owe at least $1,000 in tax for 2023 after subtracting your withholding and tax credits.

  2. You expect your withholding and tax credits to be less than the smaller of:

  • 90% of the tax to be shown on your 2023 tax return, or

  • 100% of the tax shown on your 2022 tax return. Your 2022 tax return must cover all 12 months.

Note. The percentages in (2a) or (2b) just listed may be different if you are a farmer, fisherman, or higher income taxpayer. See Special Rules, later.

Higher Income Taxpayers

If your AGI for 2022 was more than $150,000 ($75,000 if your filing status for 2023 is married filing a separate return), substitute 110% for 100% in (2b) under General Rule, earlier.

For 2022, AGI is the amount shown on Form 1040 or 1040-SR, line 11.

The risk in this method is that you might have too much money withheld if the AGI for 2023 is lower than the AGI for 2022. A benefit of this method is you do know that you will avoid the underpayment penalty.

3
  • That is good to know. So safe harbor only applies when the withholdings (not the quarterly payments) cover 90%/100%?
    – Sudo Bash
    Jun 14, 2023 at 23:20
  • 1
    The IRS treats the withholding that meet the safe harbor as good enough, even if they didn't happen uniformly throughout the year. Jun 15, 2023 at 11:33
  • All amounts paid by paycheck withholding are considered to have been paid in a timely manner, regardless of when they are actually withheld. That's not true of quarterly estimated payments, which is a reason to avoid them.
    – stannius
    Jun 20, 2023 at 18:59
0

In this situation, I don't see that as a problem. Yes, the W-4 has the whole "Under penalties of perjury..." section, but I haven't heard of a time when anyone got in trouble for their W-4.

If the main job has withholding as if it's the only job, your approach of estimating taxes for the 2nd job based on your marginal bracket makes sense, and it should work. It's easiest if the additional income is relatively small and doesn't push into another tax bracket (especially if it's 12% to 22% or 24% to 32%), but it can still work across tax brackets. Just a bit more math.

You may want to double-check with the IRS' tax withholding estimator tool periodically. For whatever reason, the new W-4 forms (since 2020) seem to be notoriously troublesome for taxpayers.

2
  • And if the year-over-year 2nd income is at least sort of predictable, one could just increase the withholding of the primary job to be sure one pays enough in each tax year, recomputing as needed each year after doing the taxes.
    – Jon Custer
    Jun 13, 2023 at 19:48
  • It is extremely common for people to adjust their W4 to withhold the right amount even if it means using weird numbers in that form. I always iver-withheld as the easiest way to create a sort of distributed-estimated-payment to cover taxes on investments, for example. I think you can be confident that the IRS will never object to your sending them more money.
    – keshlam
    Jun 17, 2023 at 16:51

You must log in to answer this question.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged .