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One thing doesn't add up in Options in my mind - just trying to see if someone can explain it. Say someone has placed a huge, large Buy to open for a Call option. By Huge I mean extremely large so that it is 100x larger than the normal volume for the given strike/expiry. (Say like $1B worth as an example, whereas normal Vol is $10M for the sake of argument). Now as we know normally a large block like that causes the price to move up, as it's being filled. However, the underlying is not moving at all, or even is going down against the option. So as this person is getting filled (a limit order), I assume there would be either enough liquidity on the other side (sellers) to help sell to him eventually, since the market is falling against him, or he will simply not get filled fully at all? But presumably he should eventually, no matter the size of the order? Or will there normally be liquidity issues, even in popular-strike-values at Index Options (like SPY)?

Note an order of any magnitude on the Options side will not directly affect the underlying ETF/Stock at all, as it's only a bet against it on the sidelines. It may get noticed, yes, and have an indirect affect on it or raise some eyebrows, but will not directly affect it. So if there are not enough participants on the sell side of this, will market-makers provide the liquidity for this option to get filled at all? Or it will just stay unfilled? But if not, the price of the option has to fall, as the market is falling, so this order will have to be fully filled eventually?

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100x orders happen all the time (see SPY. No option order is going to cost $1B, let alone even cover than much of the underlying.

A pro trader in size is not likely to place a huge limit order and leave it out there to be filled as share price drops. They use complex algorithmic orders which adjust. But suppose they did...

Part of the large order will be filled by existing liquidity. If share price is dropping and a call buyer is overpaying, the market maker, floor traders and even savvy retail traders will be all over the order because they can arb the mispricing, locking in guaranteed gains. They'll happily provide all the overpriced calls to the trader that he can eat. Read this. For more info, google conversions and reversals.

It's possible that conversion and reversal arbs affect the price of the underlying. For something like the SPY, it's negligible. For an illiquid stock, there might be some minor up or down pressure on share price.

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  • So point being there's always someone/market-maker, etc on the other side of a trade then? That's what I like to understand. regardless of whether there is "interest" to be on that particular side or not? ... – Steve237 Sep 12 '20 at 19:02
  • There would always be someone on the other side willing to take the trade if the option buy order was overpriced enough or the sell order was underpriced enough. At market prices, there could be limited liquidity. – Bob Baerker Sep 12 '20 at 19:57
  • @Steve237 If there's nobody on the other side of a trade... then there isn't a trade. – user253751 Sep 15 '20 at 12:13
  • Right, and that's how we get no liquidity and large spreads. – Steve237 Sep 25 '20 at 3:46

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