I have a tenant in a residential rental property who wants to pay rent through their company. They are asking for my SSN because they say their CPA needs it. Should this raise any red flags?
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9Is the lease with the person or with the company? They most certainly do not need your SSN, that's a huge red flag.– ChrisInEdmontonCommented Mar 4, 2016 at 16:28
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3Are they asking for it because they want to issue you a 1099?– Ben MillerCommented Mar 4, 2016 at 16:33
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4As an aside, make sure the contract is guaranteed by the tenant and the company, if the company is paying you. This way, you can go after either for back rent.– user19474Commented Mar 4, 2016 at 19:21
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2"Their company:" Is this a small business the tenant (co-)owns, paying their personal expenses?– WBTCommented Mar 4, 2016 at 23:55
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1@WBT the tenant owns the company– NathanCommented Mar 5, 2016 at 11:41
3 Answers
I disagree with the other respondents.
If your tenant is an individual, renting in their individual capacity, there is no reason they need your SSN. They will not be sending a 1099 to you.
If your tenant is a business, then your property is not a residential property. It is at least a "corporate housing", and you would have noticed that the contract was signed by a company representative in the capacity of being a company representative, not an individual person. In that case, that representative would also ask you to fill a form W9, on which your tax ID should be reported.
I would suggest let the tenant figure out their tax avoidance issues without you being involved.
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17This, I wouldn't get involved with receiving a 1099 on rental residential property.– quidCommented Mar 4, 2016 at 18:10
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11I think it would help clarity to reword "they need your SSN for no reason" to "there is no reason they need your SSN" or the like, assuming that's what was meant. Technically, the wording is correct as is, but it seems easily misleading to me. I'd suggest the edit myself but I don't know if that would be considered too minor around here.– David ZCommented Mar 5, 2016 at 11:38
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5I mistakenly thought it meant "they can ask for your SSN without giving any justification". Commented Mar 6, 2016 at 2:09
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"they need your SSN for no reason" could mean "there is no reason they need your SSN, but they still need your SSN" (as illogical as that is) Commented Mar 6, 2016 at 10:05
The company that's apparently going to pay this rent wants to treat it as a business expense. They are asking for your SSN because they expect to issue a 1099-MISC. (They probably gave you a Form W-9? It's not mandatory but it's common to request a taxpayer ID on this form.)
There are a couple of issues at play here:
- Rents paid by a business are generally reportable on Form 1099-MISC. In that sense, the request appears to at least not be a scam. https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1099msc.pdf It's definitely conceivable in this case that the renter is at least attempting to follow the law, even if, as in the following bullets, they are misguided in their approach.
- You are effectively running a business as a landlord. In that respect, you should expect that you'll encounter other situations that require you to give up a tax payer ID for essentially the same reason. You might be able to get a tax-payer identification number (TIN), as noted in the answer by JohnFx, that differs from your SSN. I would investigate this, but there are limits on who can get a separate number. (EDIT: As noted by @littleadv in the comments, this bullet assumes that renting is a primary business for you. If you're a "small landlord" then this part does not apply. See, for example, http://www.forbes.com/sites/irswatch/2013/03/06/should-landlords-be-filing-1099s-for-service-providers/#6d6f76245872 and http://www.auburnmainecpa.com/1099s-required-small-landlords/ for more information.)
- It's not completely clear that the arrangement between employee and employer is completely legitimate here, although I'm not sure that's your problem. It would seem more common for the employer to provide a housing allowance to the employee, in which case you're out of that part of the deal and would not need to provide any TIN.
- You have no contract with the tenant's employer, so I don't see how they can argue that you're obligated to give them a TIN. (If you had leased directly to the tenant's employer, probably you would be obliged, but then the "tenant" would be the company not the person.)
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3Being a landlord is explicitly not running a business (look up the 2010 debates about the 1099 requirements for lenders). It's the payer who's running the business and is required to send out 1099s to anyone they give money to. Commented Mar 4, 2016 at 17:51
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The comment by @littleadv gets at an assumption that I made but wasn't stated in the original question either way: If your primary business is renting then my second bullet applies. If you are a "small landlord," then the comment is correct and you should ignore the second bullet.– user32479Commented Mar 4, 2016 at 18:24
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1I edited the first bullet to further clarify. I'm in agreement with @littleadv that when a 1099-MISC comes into play it's provided by the entity paying not receiving. Point of my first bullet was to illustrate that the tenant might believe (even if mistaken) that they should get your SSN to give you a 1099, which goes to the question of whether it's a scam. That wasn't meant to indicate that they are correct in their belief, as was intended to be described in the subsequent bullets.– user32479Commented Mar 4, 2016 at 18:30
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1I never got the impression that the tenant was "employed" by the entity. "Their company" simply means a business entity they have control of, and should be clarified in this context. The assumptions made here do seem to be more accurate regarding the tenant being employed by the company mentioned, but we don't know that (regarding bullet point 3 and 4)– CQMCommented Mar 4, 2016 at 23:35
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1@WBT I don't claim expertise on this corner of the law, but the links in my answer appear to be reputable and indicate that the situation is not as clear-cut at suggested by littleadv. Repealing the explicit inclusion is not quite the same as explicitly excluding.– user32479Commented Mar 7, 2016 at 17:24
Maybe you should consider setting up a Taxpayer Identification Number (TIN) for your business dealings as a landlord and consider providing that instead of your SSN for this type of thing. I am assuming (if this is legitimate) they want it so they can send you a 1099 as they might be obligated to do if they are claiming the rent as a business expense.
Also, I'd suggest having the tenant tell their employer to contact you directly. There is no need for the tenant in this situation to also get your SSN/TIN.